How much is it to adopt a child from africa

Is Adopting from Africa Right for YOU?

There are thousands of children in Africa that are homeless, orphans, or in foster care. Many are going day-to-day, waiting for a family to adopt them.

Is that family you?

As we take a look into the process of adopting from Africa, we can see that there is no lack of opportunities for people to give back and help out a child, a family, and a community. There are hundreds of adoption agencies aiding in the placement of African children looking for a home. A lot of these agencies offer varying opportunities ranging from adoption, foster care, orphan hosting, student exchanges, etc.

The average cost of adopting from Africa would be between $20,000 and $40,000, including the home study, counseling, medical expenses, and foster care if needed.

Africa also has many states that are open to international adoption. A few of these are Ghana, Congo, Uganda, Burundi, and many more.

However, a word of caution: it can be dangerous to adopt from some adoption agencies, as it has been reported from many sources that there can be corruption within groups that could be dangerous for the birth families and children. It is best to stick with reliable agencies and sources to make sure that the adoption is clean and all correct. Hilary Whiteman from CNN says in a blog post: “Due to the illegal nature of these acts, it has been difficult to properly document them, but it is known that there have been cases of children sold by their parents, and children abducted and later trafficked or even placed for adoption…”

After putting a halt on adoptions to the United States in May of 2017, the Ethiopian government passed a law in January 2018 that banned all international adoptions from Ethiopia. The ban came amid concerns about child trafficking within the country, and fear that the children were not being cared for properly when adopted outside of the country. International adoptions from Ethiopia peaked in 2010 but declined sharply in the years following.

Though many precautions should be taken when it comes to international adoption from anywhere in the world, it can also be a very rewarding and positive experience, creating new opportunities for kids that might not otherwise get the chance. Adoption from Africa can help children find proper healthcare and modern medicine. They can receive an education, and experience opportunities they never would have gotten to experience otherwise. There are so many monumental reasons to adopt a child, but the number one reason is this: all children deserve love.

We are on your side and look forward to working with you and your international adoption. If you need a support group, a Q&A board, or just more stories and experiences, we encourage you to take a look at our forum, and if you are specifically interested in African adoption, we hope you will check out our Africa Adoption Forum. All of these boards are filled with people just like you.

If you are interested in learning more about international adoption in general, here is our guide.

Are you looking to adopt internationally? Today could be your day.

Considering adoption? Let us help you on your journey to creating your forever family. Visit Adoption.org or call 1-800-ADOPT-98.

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SOUTH AFRICA ADOPTION OVERVIEW

All God’s Children International is one of three U. S. agencies accredited to provide adoption services for children in South Africa. The country of South Africa is one of the first African nations to embrace the regulations of the Hague Convention and AGCI is one of the only agencies with 2 Hague-accredited programs in Africa!

Tragically, disease, unemployment, political unrest, and numerous other factors have led to a devastating orphan crisis in South Africa. Children have been abandoned or relinquished, often with medical needs that require special services. Many orphans are being cared for in foster homes or small institutions.

Christian Adoption Agency, All God’s Children International began working directly in partnership with Johannesburg Child Welfare Society (JCW) in South Africa to place South African orphans in loving adoptive families in 2018. JCW is a social service organization that has been serving South African families since 1909.

• Most children available for adoption are between the ages of 2-6.
• All children eligible for adoption have medical conditions, are part of a sibling group, or are considered older orphans.
• Timeframe: 1-3 years. Timeframe is from registered dossier to completion. Timeframes are dependent on family’s openness to medical conditions, gender, and age of child.
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WHO IS ELIGIBLE TO ADOPT FROM SOUTH AFRICA?

Age of Parents

Both parents must be between 25 and 48 years of age.

Marital Status

Couples married at least 1 year are welcome to adopt from South Africa. If there is a history of divorce, the current marriage must be at least 2 years. Each spouse may have up to 2 divorces.

Single Applicant

Single parents are eligible to adopt from South Africa.

Children in Family

Families with children are welcome to adopt from South Africa. The youngest child in the home must be at least 2 years old at the time of application.

Income

Families must have a positive net worth and an income of at least $10,000 per family member, including the adopted child.

Criminal History

Applicants cannot have a history of felonies and no more than two misdemeanors in their lifetime. Misdemeanors will be considered on a case-by-case basis.

Medical History

Applicants without a past or current diagnosis of a life-threatening or communicable disease or other condition that impairs their ability to parent and/or the quality of life of a child are eligible to adopt from South Africa.

“And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.”  Matthew 18:5

HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO ADOPT FROM SOUTH AFRICA?

The approximate cost to adopt from South Africa is $26,900. Cost does not include airfare, lodging, and other fees associated with travel.

There are so many ways to fund your adoption! You can learn more about AGCI specific grants, adoption loans, and employee benefits and more on our How to Fund Page!

AGENCY FEES

APPLICATION: $400 This non-refundable fee covers the cost of a review of your application to confirm your eligibility for your desired program.  (Due at application)

U.S. AGENCY: $8,000* The agency fee covers AGCI’s cost to facilitate your adoption with agency and government officials in both the United States and foreign country. Processing expenses for AGCI include, but are not limited to, personnel costs, administrative overhead, operational costs, staff training and education, state, federal, and international licensing and accreditations, communications and insurance. (1/2 due with completion of contract and 1/2 due six months after contract)

PROGRAM FEE: $2,800* This fee provides care for orphans around the world and allows AGCI to provide the medical, emotional, spiritual, and developmental care that every child deserves. (Due with completion of orientation)

POST-ADOPTION SERVICE: $2,800 This fee allows us to provide post-adoption support services to your family and process post-adoption reports. (Due with completion of referral packet)

*If adopting siblings, agency and 1st program fees increase.

HOME STUDY AND POST-ADOPTION*

AGCI HOME STUDY SERVICES: $2,500 These fees cover our services in preparing and completing your adoption home study, including any applicable social worker travel costs. If outside AGCI’s home study states; these fees may be payable to your home study agency. (Due with completion of orientation)

POST-ADOPTION REPORTS: $400 per report; $225 per report for each additional child. These fees cover the cost for AGCI to provide post-placement visits and reports upon arrival home. (Due with completion of referral packet)

*These fees may vary if payable to your home study agency for families living outside of AGCI’s licensed states.

NON-AGCI HOME STUDY REVIEW: $400 Any home study written by your home study agency (if outside our 6 home study states) will be reviewed by AGCI to ensure it meets all AGCI, USCIS, Hague and sending country criteria. (Due with completion of orientation)

SOUTH AFRICA COUNTRY FEES & EXPENSES

$7,100* These fees cover the cost of facilitating an international adoption in South Africa. These fees include, but are not limited to costs related to personnel, administration, training and education, legal fees and communications associated with government and agency authorities, government fees, and care of your child prior to the completion of your adoption (Due with completion of dossier and referral packet as indicated on fee schedule).

ADDITIONAL & THIRD PARTY EXPENSES

TOTAL COST: The approximate cost to adopt from South Africa is $26,900. Cost does not include airfare, lodging and other fees associated with travel.

Fee Disclosure: All fees paid to AGCI are paid in advance of service. AGCI fees are non-refundable and may not be waived. If services are terminated and a refund is due, all refunds will be processed within 60 days of withdrawal and/or closure of the adoption file upon receiving the Adoption Termination Contract.

“A father to the fatherless, a defender of widows, is God in his holy dwelling.  God sets the lonely in families…”  Psalm 68:5-6

HOW TO ADOPT A CHILD FROM SOUTH AFRICA

STEP ONE

Complete home study and dossier process.

STEP TWO

Wait to be matched with your child and then begin the referral process.

STEP THREE

If you accept your referral, then you will wait for the Central Authority to issue the formal referral paperwork with all the child’s legal and medical history. Once you receive this information, you will then submit the I-800 paperwork to U. S. Immigration.

STEP FOUR

Once your family has received the approval from the Central Authority, you will be able to travel to South Africa to meet your child to begin bonding. A social worker in South Africa will assess the bonding between you and your child prior to beginning the court process to finalize your child’s adoption. You will attend a court hearing to finalize the adoption.

STEP FIVE

Once the adoption is finalized, one meeting will take place at the U.S. Embassy in South Africa, and your final visa appointment will be held at the U.S. Embassy in South Africa. Your family will then travel home with your adopted child. This trip will span 6-14+ weeks.

STEP SIX

Welcome home! AGCI and South Africa require post-adoption visits and reports at 3, 6, and 12-month anniversaries from the U.S. Embassy appointment date and annually for 2-5 years after your child is home. In addition, once the adoption is finalized and your child is home, you are required to complete your state re-adoption process. AGCI is here for support throughout your child’s life—connect with us at anytime for ongoing support services!

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It is really amazing - not a single Czech family has yet officially adopted a child from abroad. The official procedure for international adoption is so complicated and lengthy that it discourages even the most patient Czech parents from being law-abiding. In addition, the Czech Republic is a signatory to the Hague Convention on Intercountry Adoption and only allows its citizens to adopt children from other countries that have ratified the convention. Not surprisingly, many Czechs decide to adopt by circumventing established procedures. This is confirmed by Czech Nadezhda Strakova, the first woman in the Czech Republic who, with her husband, is trying to adopt a child from the Philippines. Nadezhda complains about the slowness of the adoption procedure.

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“In April it will be two years since we are trying to adopt a child. And I'm talking only about the formalities that we had to endure in the Czech Republic. We have now been informed that the Philippine side has registered us in their database, and, most likely, we have to wait another two years. The adoption process is very long, which can be frustrating for many parents.”

Nadezhda Strakova and her husband do not dare to circumvent the law - that is, they themselves go to the Philippines and negotiate the adoption of a child with local authorities without involving the Czech ones. It's very risky, says Nadezhda.

“There are quite a lot of obstacles: you get little information about the health of the child and his biological parents. There is no exact certainty that the child was not abducted from the parents. That this happens is proven by cases in Africa and Latin America.”

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Why there are strict rules for international adoption of children, explains Zdeněk Kapitan, Director of the Czech Office for International Child Protection.

“There are two reasons for this. Firstly, it is required to find out whether the child is really free for adoption, and, secondly, to check whether there are prerequisites for the transfer of the child to specific applicants. It's a rather complicated process."

Despite the risk that comes with the informal adoption of a foreign child, some Czechs decide to illegally adopt African children from countries that are not covered by the Hague Convention. It is quite possible that there will be those who would like to take into their families the Haitian orphans who lost their parents

Zdeněk Kapitan (Photo: CTK)

during the January earthquake. But the Office for International Child Protection does not recommend Czech citizens to take children from Haiti. This state is not a signatory to the Hague Convention. What this means for potential adoptive parents, explains Zdeněk Kapitan.

“This means that Haiti does not guarantee that the minimum standards of the International Adoption Institute are met. However, children from the island are still being adopted. In this regard, Haiti has established cooperation with the United States, Canada and France. At the same time, the international social service assesses the adoption process in Haiti as non-transparent, problematic, since parents are not provided with sufficient guarantees that the child is free to be transferred to another family. ”

- US missionaries tried to take Haitian children to the US without an adoption permit, which received wide publicity. By the way, the court released them. But what if it turns out that a child taken out of Haiti to new parents has a biological father and mother alive?

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“This is generally a problem for Haiti. Please note that most of the orphans there are social orphans. Parents do not have the means to support their children and they transfer them to orphanages. That is, in the strict sense of the word, these children are not orphans.”

- How many Czechs are interested in adopting children from Haiti?

"According to the information we have, we are talking about dozens of interested parties."

- 800 Haitian children have already been adopted in the USA under the accelerated program after the earthquake. Why can't Czechs do that?

“The exchange of information between states about a child is a complex and expensive process. But it is impossible to get high-quality conclusions from doctors and psychologists quickly. We, from experience, have to ask for more detailed information 2-3 times. If this is not done, then the child can enter the territory of the Czech Republic, become attached to foster parents, and then - imagine a situation that he is returned to his homeland. A child will not be able to forget such a trauma.”

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- You mentioned that the costs of adopting a foreign child are high. What amounts are we talking about?

“After consulting with our foreign partners, we came to the conclusion that this amount would not be less than half a million crowns. These are expenses for travel, accommodation abroad, administrative fees, translation of documents”,

, says Zdeněk Kapitan, Director of the Office for International Legal Protection of Children. He recommends that people who want to help children from Haiti should direct their help to humanitarian organizations working on the island. This, in his opinion, makes more sense.

About interracial adoption

Girls who are in Europe. Although I would like to get opinions from those in North America too, the States, Canada, but they probably look at it differently there. Or maybe not.
In short, the question is: would you be able to adopt a non-white child? Specifically: a black baby from Africa. Not even a Chinese woman, and not a child from South America, but a real black child from Africa? Given that both adoptive parents (that is, you and your husband) are white?
Why am I interested? We have several people at work who have adopted children. Two of them are from Russia (they have been adopted for a long time), another one is either from Romania or Bulgaria, and two have Chinese girls. Another woman and her husband want to adopt, but the deadlines are very long now for all adoptions, even to China, and the only option where quickly is Africa, I don’t know exactly where, but the child is black. They do not want to. Ready to wait, but they don't want a black child. To be honest, I understand them. Personally, I couldn't. Yes, I could adopt a white child, but not a black one. Question: would you do it? You can write anonymously, no need for political correctness. If you write anonymously, it would be interesting to know the country where you write from.

I've always considered adoption, but because of the visa issues, it's not possible!!! therefore abandoned it at this stage.
Taking into account that we also have native-born, I would take another race, there are no complexes about this.

There are no complexes about race, but it is almost impossible to find a pain-less healthy child, where 30% of the population is infected with HIV. If the race is bullshit, then I'm not ready to fight AIDS.

you know what's curious? it's fashionable, of course, adoption is there and all that ... but if someone really wants to help, then you can become a foster parent, and then this child can be adopted . .. this is not for everyone, of course, because you become emotionally attached, but how it will turn out is not immediately known ..

I know 2 families with such an adoption. A Chinese girl, there are still 2 of her older children. And a black girl, from Africa, is completely, completely black, there are problems with the birth of her child and it was difficult to find a white one.
Personally, I have never considered adoption seriously, but I think I could accept and love a black child as my own. The husband is categorically against adoption - he motivates them with problems in adolescence, that he will not be able to raise someone else's child strictly and adequately - he has no right to be demanding enough.

Excuse me, but foster is completely different, you can't "choose" children there, you have to take who they give. So for a moment, they can call you at 2 in the morning, and at 3 bring 3 teenagers and a crap baby from a dysfunctional family, and you can’t refuse.

My question is not about the "desire to help" but about the selfish desire to adopt for oneself, a child for oneself, not because one wants to reduce the number of hungry people in Africa by one child.

I was considering adoption (I didn't have my own for a long time), and I was sitting here in the thematic section, that is, in general I am for it, especially if the family's possibilities allow.
But here it is not even the color of the skin that is more important, but the character of the little man. Here you sometimes want to kill your dear elder when he is impudent, snaps, and there is no one to blame - his genes, and obstinacy, like I had in childhood Now I'm not sure that I would have had enough patience and humility.
And interracial adoption is even fashionable now Madonna, Jolie...

Yes, but that's just the fact that what Brangelina or Madonna can "afford" to ordinary people of the middle class in an average European town with, say, a rather ethnically homogeneous population, will look strange. Here is the fear of “what people will say”, and the fear that the child will be teased or bullied at school because of a different skin color, and the association of a black child with illegal immigrants, etc.
Again, the difference between America and Europe.

As I understand it, the point of adoption is for the child to become one's own. If you treat a foster child like a kindergarten teacher treats "foreign" children, then there is nothing to start.

not quite... or rather, the system is different in the states... foster parents apply with which children they are willing to work... they just won't send you a child, social workers call and look for a suitable family... believe me, i know how it works, at least in my state...some only work with teenagers (elderly) and some only with toddlers...they have to have appropriate furniture in the house...

and my answer is that it is not necessary to go to Africa or China for this

Services also try not to separate siblings. You can write an application, but this does not mean that it will always be satisfied, because the interests of children are more important. Of course, everything in the house should be adapted for kids.

yes, they try... there are foster families specially trained for certain diseases... and so on.

so from the very beginning everyone plans everything in a rosy light
But if your genetics sends you to hell, it will be a shame, but there is no one to blame, except for gaps in education.
And if adopted, of any skin color, doesn't it really cross the mind that yes, the "bad" genes are to blame?

a friend's daughter was married to an African, and she and her husband adopted a black girl, then a dreary 4-year divorce because of his binges, and finally she married a white, normal. The first one takes out her brain and speculates on the child, although he is not his own, they have joint custody. As a result, she has a new husband and her own joint child and a girl who is already a little backward, but still such a dad, from whom she comes after her stay and is silent for a long time, sad. And when the child is with his mother, he calls the police with regularity once a week and says that he has suspicions that the child is being bullied in the mother's family. This is in the USA. I wrote to the fact that it would be better if they were foster parents, that is, they did not adopt, and so it could be for them until the end of their lives due to the fact that the child has a mild UO.
Wrote not quite on the topic. but I would say to myself that I would never adopt anyone at all, I have no desire to raise someone else's blood.

If it was from Africa - I would be more tense political moments. And then there’s the same Madonna: she adopted a child, and then he found a dad: they say, yes, I didn’t understand, I thought, he only takes his star for maintenance, karochi, give the kid back, more precisely - pay money so that there is no scandal . Well, the environment: if this is the norm in mine, then why not.
So I'd rather adopt from some ... more understandable by European legislation or at least an Asian country.

I couldn't do black-black, for some reason black people seem to me like aliens with their black-pink hands and tight curls. There is no such attitude towards Chinese adult children.

I saw such a family the other day. The father is Hispanic, the mother is Asian, and the child is black. They were just celebrating in the restaurant the year the child turned. I am fine with these families.

My friend's daughter adopted two babies from South Africa with her husband.
It was like a punishment for her because she was too racist against blacks. The daughter did everything secretly and the mother found out after the fact.
Now she cherishes her grandchildren.
My opinion is that colored children are better than none at all. If you are not allowed to give birth to your own and want to, then it doesn’t matter what race they are.

I really wanted to adopt, but in the Russian Federation there was no financial possibility, and now, in the United States, there is no legal possibility. But the issue is not closed, we will get citizenship and we will discuss it. The money has already been set aside. I would deliberately adopt a non-white. It doesn't matter which country. Because firstly, White has more chances anyway. Secondly, there are much fewer of them. The queues are longer, the choice of a child is difficult - Americans grab what they give, without a choice.
Outwardly, I don't like Africans, but black-and-black Hindu-Pakistani and Vietnamese. I love small and skinny))
We (the north of the USA) have many white families with adopted Afro children. I had a conversation with my son's classmate's mother. She shared that finally, after 5 years, the paperwork is finished and her children, adopted in Ethiopia, are finally "completely hers." And I'm so in the forehead: "How much?" She didn’t even get embarrassed, she said, it was cheaper in bulk - $ 25 thousand for a pair of siblings. Ethiopians are the cheapest and fastest. She has very beautiful children, especially the girl Naomi Campbell will be. An elongated face, regular features, thin-boned, straight beauty grows.

On forum 7. I am/was a participant with adopted African children. Maybe you should talk to her? The last time I came across her topic, there was horror in the family, terrible.

During my studies, I did a little research on the adoption of Indians by Canadians. Found in the library a lot of literature on this subject. In short, the summary is this: the adoption of a child of a different race is much less successful at times. Specifically, Indian children who grew up in white families compared themselves to apples (white inside, but still red outside). Being different from parents and "not belonging" was a very heavy burden and a huge problem during the period of teenage confrontation. And for boys, it all happened much more acutely.

Do you know what I regret most in my life? 22 years ago, when my eldest was born in Ukraine (92), we spent a lot of time in hospitals and there were refuseniks in one of the hospitals, a black newborn girl (or rather, her mother, and her husband was black), and we were seriously considering taking her away. And then our girl was given a bunch of diagnoses and everything went by the wayside. 22 years have passed, and I still remember that baby.

She could adopt a girl, but not a boy. And the color here is the tenth thing.

Now I'm reading a book by a Chinese writer and journalist Xinran - how in China newborn girls are killed or thrown/thrown somewhere after childbirth. Of course, more in rural areas and in poorly educated families.
And the Chinese themselves cannot adopt them - because of the "one child" policy, an adopted child is equated to a second child.
I wonder how difficult it is legally for adoption by foreigners?
In India, this is also practiced at the bottom. And the police look at it through their fingers.

Well, about apples - it's "an old joke" - Asians who grew up in Canada also call themselves "bananas" - yellow on the outside, but white on the inside. And who is the racist here?
Because the problem with the Indians, who ... well, let's say, have moved into the mainstream, is that they are not accepted by THEIR. So again, who's the racist here? Moreover, I have never heard that a white person who grew up in some other culture was negatively treated by other white people as a "traitor." is only a "reason" to protest. Almost any child in adolescence or a little earlier has to some extent a fantasy that "my parents do not understand me, or maybe they are not my parents?" - moreover, of course, "real" parents should be or movie stars, or children of millionaires, or ... well, in general, you yourself remember who remembers. And if there is such a charming clue as "the wrong race" - oh, then a self-respecting teenager has somewhere to roam and there is something to cause guilt in parents. Although the conversation - something short: you were put up for adoption, we adopted and are trying to raise as best we can. Would you prefer something else (significant pause)? .

Worse than animals...

Canadians adopted a lot there before...

As far as I heard from the Chinese herself, they don't have a "one child" policy everywhere. In big cities, maybe in some other regions, but in villages people have many children.

I heard from the Chinese that in the villages children are simply not registered, it seems like they don’t have them or they give birth to the same age and are registered as twins. In general, they can have more than one child, only the tax must be paid.

The policy of "one child" there concerns only the titular nation of Khan, who are about 80-85% there, and does not concern other nationalities. In the villages, a second child is allowed if the first is a girl. But, as they wrote here, many in the villages give birth to subsequent children without registering them - which, alas, means that he cannot go to school or go to the doctor. Because they immediately ask the parents for written confirmation that this is a "legal" child. School and medicine are free only for the first child. For subsequent children, fees for school and medicine are set in such an amount that it is unbearable and scary. Only the wealthy can afford such expenses for a second child. And the peasants are poor people.
The journalist writes, as one of the reasons for the murder of girls, that in the village they add land for a newborn son, but not for a daughter. I wonder why the local authorities cannot change this so that they also receive land for girls?

If they take up the changes, then they won't give anything for the boys either, for equality.

I agree with you about teenagers. The conversation is short, but not always reaches even relatives. By the way, Chrétien's adopted Inuit boy ended up badly in prison.

Oh, how! And in Canada, moms and dads stood up against the new sex-ed school program. if they (the Chinese) had been told about anal sex at a tender age, there would have been no infanticide.

Is it possible to reproduce by anal sex??? After all, the Chinese have a child in the hope that it will be a son. And girls who are born are (often) killed. And they give birth "until the victorious" until the son is born. And when you already have a son, you can go for abortions.

Wow! Well, then the Chinese would have had another problem - calorie incontinence, and this is much cooler! who will then clean the streets, Kathleen Wynne ???

Why would whites adopt a black child?? It's not easier to bring condoms to Africa so that they don't breed. No matter how many wolves you feed...

According to this logic, you also had to be strangled in the cradle, but you write all sorts of garbage here and nothing.

This is the difference between countries, and not because Jolie is there, but you have Manya Petrova. In North America, adoptions are not hidden, and therefore there is no such wild attitude towards adopted children, and even of a different race.

Yes, soon the whole world will be black. Why adopt black children? Why help them? Why buy a new mobile phone every time something is advertised? Why run after other people's husbands, why smoke? Yes, the world is full of idiots. Therefore, there are so many conflicts in it, and the only good news is that the world has been going to hell for a long time, but since it is still alive, then there are chances.

Walk into any decent department of any American university and see how many Chinese girls there are. It seems that the propaganda about how many girls are being killed in China is greatly exaggerated. If in some villages the lower class lives like this, well, this is such a world, someone sniffs glue, you never know what there is in the world, there are a lot of morons. They give birth to children there, like pigs, they buried one, gave birth to another, well, such a layer of society.

The capitalist system contributes to debilitation, because it is good to spud morons, shake out the loot. They need to adopt blacks... After all, look how they divorced people in / in Ukraine. After all, smart people were lured to the Maidan, again forced to believe in fairy tales and robbed. So far, yes, OK, no one is bombed in Odessa or Kherson, but the money was taken away, everyone was cleaned again. People are losing their jobs, state employees will once again be satisfied with the 1995-96 academic year, when all university professors went to work for free for a year. They came up with a divorce scheme and divorced suckers, and with adoption.

It's like brainwashing people into needing a black child. Yes, black is everywhere. In Canada, in every ministry, there are packs of French-speaking Africans who hum in English badly, they are hired ahead of white English-speaking Canadians and paid the hell out of them. Refugees from Somalia are paid for dental treatment and medicines at the expense of the budget, and this is far from being available for all those born in Canada and who have worked all their lives. A white Canadian with a university education has finished working, his pension has not yet come, disability, he has been a teacher all his life, he pays for every tooth, and the Somali garbage dump shoots another baby every year from one place and puts it all on our necks. And adopt them? We pay enough for them.

It's time to save the white civilization. Asia is another matter. All Russians are mixed with various Asian tribes. They are capable and active. Although, of course, children fall under adoption when there are terrible genes. In Ukrainian or Russian orphanages, you can at least pay bribes to look for a child of more or less decent origin, an illegitimate child or something like that. A foolish student from the village, drunk with a village fool, made a child, but both of them have parents who don’t plant carrots, but can be quite busy village businessmen, the head cooks grandmothers to make, steal and give bribes, there is no time for a child in a hostel, here they are they don’t know what this fool does in a hostel, but she is 19 years old-20, and she didn’t sniff glue, didn’t use drugs and didn’t leave 5 children in boarding schools. She is young, healthy, her instincts are healthy, since it hit her in the head to give birth.

I taught at a university, there were cases, such a healthy horse that no one knew that she was pregnant, but gave birth to a full-term baby without any special help, only managed to pick up the child. If I had not read the certificate from the maternity hospital with my own eyes, I would not have believed it. This same what horse health! Without a whip, of course, a lazy cow, but then you need to train the baby on time and keep an eye on it.

I know firsthand the case when an American couple took 3 children in a Ukrainian orphanage and gave them just a fabulous life, managed to write a book, tell about the whole difficult path, and then one of these children grew up and committed not just a murder, but a terrible and brutal murder. Adopt where you know how to choose something decent in your environment and how to deal with the problems that are there, rather than adopt other mammal species that you know nothing about.

If I needed a child, I would give money to pick him up with the most decent gene pool. Or, if this is America, then the Chinese. I would have arranged for him to study 24/7, and he would have received all the scholarships for national minorities from me. He would not have raised his head from the textbook, even if there were Chinese drunks, I would have made a Chinese scientist out of him. And what can be done from an African? Dancer or singer. I don't understand this show business. Basketball player? I hate sports. I would be sick of devoting my life to taking him to sports. They are lazy, love to laugh, sing, dance and do nothing. There are exceptions, of course, but I wouldn't count on that.

You take a set of genes and put resources into it. How can you invest if you don't even understand how to use them? You have been dealt cards, but what to do with them? You belong to another world. And for what? For another black to settle well in this world? Well this is what the brain of people was beaten off by propaganda. The state needs to pick up trash from the garbage heap, and fools themselves sign up to solve other people's problems. Brrrr... Well, I didn't have any problems with childbearing... In general, can people really have problems with childbearing, who are better off not having children? Nature just did not take into account that they would solve problems differently . ..

What nonsense And it was not too lazy to write such garbage.

One of my relatives, who loved her children and grandchildren to the point of madness, used to say: “No friends, no strangers” and told life stories about children adopted after the war; children of repressed candidates of sciences, and writers, and scientists, and simply children of healthy collective farmers killed by a bomb. And the real stories were complicated... The officer, for example, left the gun in the bedside table, and this teenage boy, lax in the boarding school, to whom the adoptive parents gave everything they could, went to shoot pigeons. It was Stalin's time, the shoulder straps were immediately removed, they were expelled from the party, dad-colonel became a loader. But the boy still became an alcoholic, grew up, they did not communicate with him, came from the garbage heap and went to the garbage heap. I look more liberal. Still, even your property should be left to someone not a stranger, experience should be passed on. It is necessary to look for the most decent genes, an illegitimate child, for example, a young fool. Although the question arises whether she refused an abortion for religious reasons, and this is an innate tendency to fanaticism in an infant. On the other hand, from an innate tendency to fanaticism, you can make a scientist who is able to study some boring fish for years. And keep agitators from religious circles away from the child. And it is better to start anti-agitation without waiting for these agitators to get to him. Maybe she's a fool though, and dad is some smart guy. In general, it is necessary to study the pedigree.

If your point of view does not coincide with the voiced position, this does not mean nonsense. If you don't agree, that's great. And how many Africans have you personally adopted?))

I don't need it, I have four of my own. But they seriously considered the issue of adoption from China or Ethiopia.

can I, even though I'm not in America
but if I lived there, I would adopt easily! So what, what's black? He that ceases to be a man from this?! I hate racism!

I think I have made a clear distinction between China and Africa. In the absence of white adoption opportunities, China, yes, is an option.

Ethiopia has a huge Jewish community and I understand that you did not plan to adopt Kenyans or Somalis. I have seen many Ethiopians in the US, many of them not much darker than many Jews. Soviet teachers actively taught engineering in Ethiopian universities, so if you dig, you can probably adopt someone whose ancestors studied well and sat at the desk of our associate professors, and not sniffed glue in the trash. Ethiopia is a very different topic than black Africa, although one that needs further study. Or would you take anyone from the garbage heap? And I doubt that you have four children from one husband. More than two usually give birth when a new husband, a new child is needed. And in this case, you already have everything mixed up in the house.

I have a normal marriage with one husband who, like me, would not start children with just anyone. Although I admit Asians, beyond the Urals all Russians look Asian, and I also had such ancestors. They have a very high passionarity. I know from my ancestors of this origin, I know that they can study something hungry for 18 hours and be super-duper-excellent students in a Moscow university, where the best were selected anyway, and then they still have the strength to run around theaters and into the forest for mushrooms, they can not sleep, not eat and be the first in everything. These are still the descendants of the Mongols or someone else, go and sort it out. I could study like them, but I didn’t do anything else, I didn’t cook, I didn’t clean, I didn’t go in for sports. And these people can be everywhere non-stop, just give them an order, they will sweep everything in their path. And at 2 o'clock in the morning they will jump on a bicycle and go to a party meeting (under Stalin they often met at night).
Asians have good genes if given direction, but Slavic beauty is missing.

But why do white people need black people? We must protect our civilization, and not breed this whole muddy daub.

In general, people adopt for various reasons. I would not want to invest the resources that I received as a result of the selection of many generations from my people, and give it to someone completely different, so that they use it for free, and then they also shit on our heads. When in the 80s in the Urals children did not see sausages and sat hungry, in Ukraine they ate right out of their ears, so they have been slandering us about the Holodomor for 23 years, my own child absorbed this nonsense in a Ukrainian school and believes in his Ukrainianness. I have already shared my genes with the Ukrainian people close to me. (My own children think that they are Ukrainians. So you need to be careful about sharing with other peoples. Although, of course, if Jews adopt anyone and hammer their own into their heads, then this is completely opposite direction ... and the loss of Slavic beauty is also not particularly threatened by them, so to each his own in the process of breed selection. I wish everyone good luck to everyone on their way.

And just to adopt and love mindlessly... I think it's nonsense. I know a Canadian, she adopted a Canadian girl, born to a mentally retarded Canadian mother and therefore deprived of parental rights, she loves her madly and invests colossal resources in the development of this misfortune. She spared money for international adoption. She firmly believes that she will develop her blond beauty. The child is beautiful. Brrr. A mentally retarded (officially) woman gives birth, apparently, from the same ones, and this is taken into the house ... The world is large and diverse. In her eyes, I express my admiration to her and smile very affectionately . .. Se la vie ...

I understand that theorists have gathered, no one is going to adopt, but everyone takes radically opposite positions

Many letters, niasisila.

you like smoked sausage, it's not good, it can get stuck in your throat, it's big because, your suffocation, it will be painful

Bravo!!! You can’t say more precisely! The funny thing is that 99% of whites think the same way, but they are brainwashed and feared, like: no way! doesn’t let them utter a word. You’re great, but it’s not customary to write like that on fuck, everyone here has double standards

Great writing!

write

Double standards for those who are afraid to perform under their own nickname.

I don't know, maybe I was brainwashed by propaganda, I would adopt or even better adopt a child from Asia, especially, probably from Africa, not to mention others, Russia, Ukraine, any countries. I would even try to introduce them to their language and culture so that they would not be cut off.

Best of all from Russia, it seems very difficult now(

In general, it is very interesting to look at children, it turns out how they change when they grow up. More children are better than fewer.

Everything seems to be logical, somehow everything is written out smoothly, but I don’t understand, it has a nasty aftertaste, it carries some kind of polished fascism. The question arose, according to your philosophy, interracial / interethnic marriages, what is it? - the highest degree of dis .... va? (the genes are being squandered)

Lord, what nonsense they mixed .... And Slavic beauty (are all Slavs beautiful? Or no Chinese beauties?), and about some Ethiopians adopted by teachers, and that Ukrainians got something out of their ears, and about children "not with anyone", and about party meetings at night and "passionate" running from hunger on mushrooms . .....
Did you even understand what you wrote?
Or did you drink too much yesterday on Christmas Eve?
Or maybe you, too, for outsiders "anybody"?

+1 I didn't know how to formulate my feeling, and everything seems to be coherent, not to undermine, but the slogans "for the purity of the race" (they didn't know about genes at that time) were already around almost 100 years ago.
I was very amused about the "Slavic beauty" and lamentations about the ugliness of Asians, and there are a lot of funny things in there

shhhh... well, there hasn't been anything so cool for a long time
let me have some fun

If I had a choice, I would rather adopt an Asian. I do not know why.
Black, it seems to me, could not. Not because it "would look strange", but simply on some subconscious level I can't feel it as my own. They are very different IMHO. Like a different kind.

+1. Politically incorrect, but correct.

Purses, why do you read so inattentively? My post is about Europe. Adoption is not hidden here either.
Emphasis on exactly what is normal in the States - due to the heterogeneity of society, is not quite customary in Europe, precisely because of the homogeneity of society. Believe it or not, even despite the dominance of immigrants from Arab countries and Africa, there are still regions where the population is very homogeneous, almost 100% of the country's indigenous population. White, yes. Therefore, a black child in a white couple here will look at least strange.
Another aspect - Jolie can afford it, because although black, her child will always be "Joli's son" with all the ensuing consequences. And the black child of an ordinary European couple of hard workers will always bear a "black" stamp.

As I understand it, in the title post the opinion of those in Europe was asked, although the opinion of those living in the North was welcomed. America, although there they have different circumstances.
I'm in Europe (center of Europe), in a small town, black or Arab immigrants for the whole city once or twice and counted. I personally know three adoptive couples. They know that Ethiopia and other African countries are the fastest and cheapest option. And yet they chose not to take it from there. One couple adopted a Chinese girl, another in Romania and another somewhere in the Balkans. A black child here would look at least strange and most likely would be the only black in the school. I'm not sure he would avoid being teased by other kids.

Living in a completely "white" suburb-village (Europe), there are only two black boy brothers in the school, all the rest are white, the mother is local, the father is African, it never occurred to a single child to tease them. This is not typical for children from prosperous intelligent families.

Here is one of our neighbors, the first child from a black man, and then two more white children in marriage. They are in constant trouble because of this.

Just don't start. You don’t know how things really are, and maybe, of course, in your village everyone is so white and fluffy.

I know how things really are, my son has been friends with them for 6 years already, if there was something - he told me a long time ago, and the teachers would have raised the issue, here they take mobbing and other things seriously.

what happened there? My friends also started such garbage, there is still no end in sight, there the afro drank with terrible force, but since he is a genius in certain areas, he decided to ingeniously endure the brain of the BJ, and since they have nothing in common in their history, except for the adopted child, so he put his debts on her. In general, the debts for lawyers are under $ 100 thousand from her side, which he managed to hang on her, and here it is a matter of principle on his part, such cases are considered for years, until someone dies, as the lawyer (s) said.

"I don't know why" means that you most likely have Asian blood, you have an understanding of this blood and hence the attraction to it. All the bloods have been mixed up for a long time, there is a genetic examination, from which you can find out how many bloods you have mixed up.

Perhaps an interesting opinion. Of course, I won’t find out, there’s no need for me, but I liked the idea.

Absolutely correct, honest and healthy opinion, but "political correctness" has long been strangled by everyone. People cannot get normal jobs, only people of color are honored everywhere ((

Have fun when you get black sons-in-law

kosha, it's NOT important, it's important that the first person in this swamp was finally not afraid (albeit anonymously) to tell/write the TRUTH!!!

is not excluded by the way. In our northern Lillehammer, there are many times more blacks than in southern Budapest, where I have seen 3 of them in 14 years.
Those whom I meet here, by the way, are smart, mostly from Eritrea, they study, confirm their education, get extra money here . .. Maybe I have a specific sample, of course. I hope I will teach my girls to understand people, but cattle, it can be of any skin color, and white is not a panacea for anything.

The explanation is much simpler. It's just that Asian faces and features are quite familiar to a Russian person, not even on an enetic, but purely on a visual level. I do not think that there is a person "born in the USSR", in whose environment from childhood there would be no Asians or people with Asian features at all. If not personally acquaintances, then there in the pictures, all sorts of dolls in national costumes and all that. But with Afro it is already more difficult.

swam - we know. In the examination, each blood will be painted as a percentage.

Here, too, one can look at it from different angles. What would happen if the adopted child was of a different race? But it happens that the native children in "decent" families go "on a crooked path"?

And most importantly, what would have happened to this boy if he had NOT been adopted by Chrétien?

And they deliver. But it doesn't help. Why adopt? Probably because certain whites like it that way. Especially since no one is forcing you to.

You don't have the brains to argue.

Honestly, it never even crossed my mind to adopt a child of another race. If they came to this, they would probably try to adopt from Russia/Ukraine.
I know a family that has 4 girls of their own, very fair. Parents adopted two black boys from Ethiopia. One is older than the girls, one is younger. Of course, adopting is a sacred thing, but aren't they afraid that boys will then have all sorts of ideas in relation to girls ....

But only boys of a different race can have such thoughts in relation to girls? )))) Do European and Chinese boys immediately grow impotent?

Do you think that the murder of girls in peasant families in China is a lie? And that the Chinese peasants, on the contrary, send girls to America to study?
And then - do these students with Chinese appearance on their foreheads say that they are from China, and not Americans in the 2nd-3rd generation of Chinese origin?

I know that in some countries in Europe there is a law on adoption, when adopted children cannot be older than their relatives or adopted children already living in the family. That is, children should appear in the family in a natural order, the first is the oldest, and then according to the increase in the year of birth. Perhaps there is something in this that echoes your example.

but after all, even genetic ones can "have all sorts of ideas" for adopted children, not only vice versa

Yes, everything is possible, who argues? But it is not artificial to create such combinations that usually lead to "all sorts of ideas".

Yes, I agree.

No, of course, any boy can have "ideas", but the idea of ​​even touching a black person is unpleasant to me (and it would be even more unpleasant if my daughter touched them, ugh). I'm talking about close touch, not professional touch like doctors do.

Are you serious now?
How "close touch" are we talking about? Shaking hands with a black colleague is unpleasant for you?

No, shaking hands is no problem, but touching their hair or skin is unpleasant.

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